13 Jan
2020
13 Jan
'20
12:31 p.m.
thanks drebs! sounds good -- maybe except it isn't clear maybe that
"registration: e-mail" does not mean a signup but using
an existing e-mail account, and that technically, DC is
a e-mail client/mua/app.
holger
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 09:27 -0300, drebs wrote:
> Hi, so taking into account both answers, here's current state of this
> (with only 2 questions before I can add the line to the page):
>
> Client:
>
> DeltaChat (with a link to https://delta.chat -- all other entries
> have a wikipedia page)
>
> Developer
>
> "Delta Chat contributors"
>
> (I wonder if "Merlinux" wouldn't make more sense here, as it's
> listed as such in Google Play and as all other open source projects
> surely also have contributors but either list individuals or
> companies)
>
> First public release
>
> August 14, 2018
>
> Active users|Monthly active users
>
> -
>
> Registration requirement
>
> Email
>
> Software license|License
>
> GPLv3
>
> Operating system
>
> Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS.
>
> E2EE 2-user chat
>
> Yes
>
> E2EE group chat
>
> Yes
>
> File transfer
>
> Yes
>
> Voice recording
>
> Yes
>
> Voice chat
>
> No
>
> Video chat
>
> No
>
> Read receipts
>
> Yes
>
> Editing sent messages
>
> No
>
> Deleting sent messages
>
> No
>
> Custom emoji
>
> No
>
> Sticker (messaging)|Stickers
>
> No
>
> Self-destructing messages
>
> No
>
> Screenshot protection
>
> No
>
> Themes / skins
>
> Yes
>
> Plugins
>
> No
>
> Peer-to-peer text chat
>
> No
>
> Open source servers
>
> Yes
>
> Should we add a note here saying that these are 3rd parties
> (i.e. not maintained by DeltaChat)?
>
> Federated servers
>
> Yes
>
> --
>
> holger krekel <holger(a)merlinux.eu> writes:
>
> > Hi drebs, compl4xx :)
> >
> > while skimming your conversation a quick remark ...
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 03:04 +0100, compl4xx wrote:
> >> > - Is there a count of "monthly active users"?
> >> No. There is no way to measure this. Hm, we could ask the NSA?^^ I'd
> >> just leave out the number, many other messengers don't have it either.
> >
> > it can only be estimated -- F-Droid and apk downloads are not counted at all
> > and eg in Cuba and elsewhere there are separate app stores that can not
> > be accessed from the outside.
> >
> >> > - How to succintly express that no specific registration is
> >> > required, but that an e-mail account is needed, in the column
> >> > "Registration requirement"? Or just say "no"
or leave blank?
> >> Let's just say "Email". No need to make it complicated; and it
does
> >> require an Email address to work, even if it's not transmitted to Delta
> >> Chat.
> >
> > sidenote: i'd be careful with using "Delta Chat" to designate an
actor that
> > can do or receive things -- there is the "app" and there are
"developers",
> > maybe merlinux as an organization, but "Delta Chat" per se does not
exist :)
> >
> >> > - I guess the license can be pulled from github, but if there are
> >> > any gotchas it might be good to know.
> >> It's GPLv3+ for Desktop & Android - but iOS might be another issue.
> >> There is no license on GitHub, probably because GPLv3 is incompatible
> >> with the Apple Appstore. Not sure what license is planned for the iOS
> >> app; for now let's just say GPLv3+.
> >> > - Support for which operating systems should be listed as
"Yes"?
> >> Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android, iOS. There is no web client.
> >> > - How to express that there is E2EE only after the first message?
> >> > How does that work exactly for group messages?
> >> "Optional" fits best for both 2-user and group chats, I think. Or
maybe
> >> "Opportunistic", if we can just fill in what we want?
> >
> > "optional" sounds more like what Telegram does. DC does default to
E2E,
> > also for group messages. With verified groups you get guaranteed E2E
> > also for groups so i guess it's ok to just say "yes" here.
> >
> >> > - Are there any limitations for "file transfer" support
or should
> >> > that just be signaled as "yes"? Same question for
voice
> >> > recording. (i guess the answer is "not on DC side"? how
to express
> >> > that?)
> >> Let's just say "Yes". (Most of) the other IMs also have size
limitations
> >> here.
> >> > - No support for voice/video chats, right?
> >> Nope, not yet.
> >> > - Read receipts = no, right? I wonder if someone has thought about
> >> > ways to implement this feature for DC already.
> >> Yes, there are read receipts, they can be turned on in the settings :)
> >
> > read receipts are "yes" by default. You can switch it off.
> >
> >> > - No editing, nor deleting sent messages, right?
> >> Editing No, Deleting... partial I'd say?
> >
> > probably that's a "no" if deleting means deleting on the receiving
side.
> >
> >> > - No "custom emojis"? (what in earth is that?)
> >>
> >> Custom emojis are emojis you can add & edit yourself, I think :) we
> >> don't support that (yet).
> >>
> >> > - No stickers?
> >>
> >> Stickers are almost ready in the desktop client... let's leave that out
> >> for now.
> >>
> >> > - No self destructing messages, correct? (that would be awesome,
is
> >> > currently my #1 needed privacy feature together with no contacts
> >> > upload)
> >> Not yet, no... people are thinking about how to best implement that.
> >> It's hard to force the other side to delete them; especially if they
> >> don't use Delta, but a different E-Mail client.
> >
> > It's fine to focus on DC to DC usage here i think. So we can and will
> > implement self-destruct messages althought he construction is likely
> > to be "one-sided ephemeral messages" because we want to support
> > asymmetric organization scenarios, i.e. one DC (desktop) user might organize
> > a group and retain messages, while people in the field will switch on deletion
on
> > their phones.
> >
> >> > - Screenshot protection?
> >> Nope.
> >> > - Support for themes/skins?
> >> Yes, there is dark mode :)
> >> > - Support for plugins?
> >> Nope.
> >> > - No peer to peer text chats.
> >> Nope.
> >> > - What to put in "Open source servers"?
"Depends"?
> >> Yes, there are Open Source servers. Whoever cares about this feature
> >> will use them.
> >
> > definitely "yes" ... postfix/dovecot/exim/... in many cases open
source services
> > are used even from commercial providers.
> >
> > cheers
> > holger
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