Hello Marco
Thank you for your email.
Besides DC-related considerations (e.g. dedicated account
discussion, which is a very important and complex one), I am
sincerely surprised that you are reproducing Russian propaganda
word-by-word when talking about Ukraine.
First of all, have you been to Maidan yourself? Do you know how this all has started? Do you know how bad Yanoukovitch government was? I do not praise Poroshenko either, as I do not praise any president or any government on this earth. However, Maidan has started as a genuine people-driven effort to change the situation. If it has been further coopted by right-wing forces (as it was in many other countries across the globe), it does not undermine the will for freedom that Ukrainian people have. As for the US intervention, the problem is that US is intruding almost every bottom-up driven movement, from Rojava to "Global South". It's the problem of US, not of Ukrainian people, and even less of our friends and users in Kyiv, who strongly disagree with both right-wing rise and US imperialism.
I do not reject the fact that nowadays Kyiv is seeing a right-wing renaissance. Indeed, nationalist brigades are often seen in the city. But so it is the case in Brazil, Austria, US, Russia and many other countries across the world. No "democracy" is a real democracy nowadays. If you believe in democratic elections, I am truly happy for you and I wish I could share this beautiful belief. But it's impossible for me to believe that US, Canada, France, Germany, Italy or any other "western" country is any better than Ukraine today. We're all in the same boat, and this boat is sinking. It's one of the reasons we, as socially minded developers, need to be at the rescue and offer tools to those who oppose the nationalist threat.
There are several reasons to gather in Kyiv.
First, Ukraine is now on a very interesting crossroads, with a
bursting IT sector, many talented tech enthusiasts, hosters, ISPs
and email providers that are interested in growing better
communication with "western" hacker cultures. Second, we want to
decentralize in a geopolitical way and not focus all gatherings in
western Europe or US, as many other tech teams do. Third, we have
a Ukrainian team member, and a Russian one (myself), with many
connections in Kyiv that can really help organize a good event in
authentic places, that do not exist anymore in the gentrified and
expensive western Europe. Finally, we are targeting high-risk
users, namely journalists and human rights defenders who cover
armed conflicts, human rights violations, demonstrations and
protests and other intense political events, and it turns out that
Ukraine is a perfect place to meet these users, and they are very
open to experiment and work _together_ with us to make Delta.Chat
better suitable for their precise causes.
I would like to share many links, videos, posts about Ukraine with you in order for you to reconsider the words you have used to qualify Kyiv and Ukraine. If you are interested in a discussion on that, let me know. I hope your opinion may evolve and go beyond Russian propaganda frame. May be our team member Vadym could also add his point of view on that.
All the best
Ksenia
On 01/27/2019 10:53 PM, holger krekel wrote:
today we published a blog post on the current releases: https://delta.chat/en/2019-01-27-releases it's been a lot of work from many people to make it to this major milestone. Thanks all, also those not specifically mentioned in the blog post ... as DeltaChat continues to gain momentum it's not so easy to keep track of everyone involved ;) there are a few immediate things where we'd be grateful for help in the upcoming month: - advancing and refining app translations https://www.transifex.com/delta-chat/delta-chat-app/dashboard/ - helping new users in the https://support.delta.chat forum - testing and stabilizing the Android release in particular in order to push it to the play store. F-droid is quite slow in pushing releases and it's about time to distribute it more widely, isn't it? - building a Delta/Desktop release for Windows, the last missing platform. - trying to advance the iOS testflight app to also bring it to the ios app store. Delta/iOS will remain behind the other two efforts but there is not that much missing to make it real-life usable. While we have 2-3 people who care from time to time for Delta/iOS we don't have or know anyone available who could more majorly help. Let's see where we can get in 2019 with what is hopefully a good start ;) holger _______________________________________________ delta mailing list -- delta@codespeak.net To unsubscribe send an email to delta-leave@codespeak.net
Hi,
unfortunately there are still no mentions/news about the so-called "recommending dedicated accounts" proposal (of the main devs??) of the last October in order to use delta chat.
I'm glad Delta Chat is actively developed, but as of today I am not sure anymore what the scope of the project is: I fear that the proposal has been silently taken for accepted and thus the project turned essentially in developing a fancy mail user agent with a sleek UI (autocrypt can be installed on some MUAs as well the last time I checked).
That change has deep effect on the nature of the project and I've tried in the past (without luck) to start a more structured discussion about it.
Some "words" on the matter would be gladly accepted after 4 months.
Is there any particular reason to regularly have community live meetings in Kiev?Ksenia is also driving many key happenings around DeltaChat, recently the DeltaChat needfinding report and the Delta-XI Kyiv gathering. And there are rumors about new interesting things happening late spring 2019 in Kyiv ;)
I've quite a few concerns about gathering in that country: as you probably know, there's an active civil war in the Donbass region and after the western (NATO but mainly USA) sponsored coup d'etat of 2014 against a democratically elected govern, there has been installed one reminiscent of a fascist Junta, with large parts composed of proudly and active field-fighting ultra nationalist Nazist squads (cfr. e.g.: Azov).
In addition, as in the good tradition of nazi-fascist states, there are proscription lists redacted by the current govern and updated daily, of so-called "enemies of Ukraine" i.e. journalists, writers, intellectuals, but also common people who are denied the entry in the country and risk to be jailed because considered "active spies" and enemy of the "nation".
Are there any other options apart from this Nazi/Fascist run capital?
I'd like to but unfortunately all of them are redirected to the new fashionable discourse web forum (since the website has buried the mailing list subscription link) whose UI I found confusing and distracting.- helping new users in the https://support.delta.chat forumI know that fashion is nowadays increasing important (sigh!) in engaging users (thanks faceboogle!) even in CS circles but it's a bit sad to face this very phenomenon occurring in a project which is supposed to fight back by fostering the use of the decentralized systems like the email infrastructure for communication.
Best.
-- Marco
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